Gray Hat SEO. Gray Hat SEO. Gray Hat SEO. I’m not keyword stuffing, I’m thinking. If gray hat is so widely accepted as a popular tactic than why are there no good articles on what it is and how to do it? Maybe, and this is just one theory, its fuckin’ impossible to write about. It’s just too damn much of a gray area in the industry (pun intended). Well, we’ll see about that.
So what exactly is Gray Hat SEO? Most define it as a site that uses questionable tactics? I think thats an excellent analysis, because the number one rule to gray hat is to be questionable. In fact the more you can get a trained eye to scratch their head wondering if your site is black hat or white the better. If you can fool the average visitor than you more than likely will fool a SE bot. In my opinion the best way to do this is to have an innate eye for structure.
In designing a structure for your gray hat site the best way to go about it is to steal a structure from a site that couldn’t possibly be banned. Let’s take Digg.com for example. Digg is setup in various primary categories where each contains news related stories. Each news story consists of a title with the link to the original article and a small, 255 character or so description. Each news story is accompanied by some user contributed content. Upon a indifferent perspective this is a very questionable structure. The content itself is very short and aren’t organized like a standardized article would be, the user contributed content is always very short and dispersed. Not to mention there is an enlarged lack of control over length of and quality of the user contributed “comments.” However the structure gives us some possibilities. We know that since Digg, Reddit and other social sites of the likeness are authoritative and standardized in the industry than naturally the search engine antispam algorithms couldn’t possibly automatically consider it of bad taste or a possibility of being considered a black hat site. This gives us a huge opportunity for a possible gray hat site.
Okay so the next step would logically be to figure out our content sources. Sticking with the Digg.com example we know that they get their content sources from large and small news related stories, mostly technology but that can excused for whatever niche we decide to target. This is a great place to start because Google has already been quoted as saying news related stories can’t be counted as duplicate content because they are so widely syndicated. It only makes sense. So getting news stories are easy. In fact it can be done by scraping lots of popular news RSS feeds. If we’re attempting to duplicate the Digg structure than we don’t need the entire articles despite what we’ve come to believe about SEO. We only need the partial story along with a title and then pad it with some user contributed content.
Where are we going to get some user contributed content? In this particular example I can’t think of a better place than the place we’re ripping off the structure from. We might as well pad each article with scraped user comments from Digg itself. So we can take the titles of each news piece and remove all the common words such as: “why”,”but”,”I”,”a”,”about”,”an”,”are”,”as”,”at”,”be”,”by”,”com”,”de”,”en”,”for”,”from”,”how”,”in”,”is”,”it”,”la”,”of”,”on”,”or”,”that”,”the”,”this”,”to”,”was”,”what”,”when”,”where”,”who”,”will”,”with”,”the”,”www”,”and”,”or”,”if”,”but” and any various others we find that aren’t commonly associated with the article subject. Then we can do a search on Digg and scrape several comments from the results, change up the usernames and make it all look unique. Hell if we wanted we could even markov some user submitted content in the middle of the scraped user content. Naturally not every user contributed content will match the topic exactly but who’s to say it’s not real? Once again as long as you remain “questionable” who can possibly deny you rankings? “Wow great article.”, “I pee’d in your pool.” <- users always submit this kind of shit, search engines are used to it and are more than well adapted to handle it. I realize this goes against the long preached world of “poison words” and such, but with the evolving net of social networking it directly conflicts with the true nature of the web and thus must be compensated for. Remember, its not what content you have, it’s how you use it. If it helps think about it like this. If you took all the comments on Youtube(which is the majority of their actual text based content) and truncated it all together in paragraph markers, how fast would you get banned? In no time, right. However when clones of places like Youtube organize it under headings of Comments and heavily break it up, somehow it all becomes legit. Take a moment to think about that.
More on this in a later post…
So now that we got our two elements of a successful gray hat site we can cook ‘em up together. We can even create a little mock voting and submission system. It doesn’t even have to work properly just as long as upon inspection it all looks legit. It’s all 100% autogenerated of course but as long as it’s laid out cleanly and correctly there’s no reason why we can’t generate hundreds of thousands of pages of stolen content while keeping visitors and the SE’s none the wiser. There’s no doubt we can do this exact technique for just about any authority site on the web. Let’s jump back to our Youtube example for a moment. Youtube isn’t the first nor the last video site on the web. As far as actual text based content goes it obviously takes a large piece of the brown cake. So how does it get away with it, and all it’s pages rank and do well while your clean and lengthy white hat articles struggle? Some would argue links are the answer. Well not all video content sites have tons of links but they can still survive and don’t get immediately banned for spammy content, but we’ll humor the notion anyway. So let’s get some links.
Gray hat sites frequently have an advantage over black hat sites in link building because since they can pass human check their links, more often than not, will tend to stick more. So of course the first place I would go is to attempt trackback pings on all these stories. If my link ends up on a few authoritative news sites, great, on a few blogs, just as well. Since it’s all legit and not only can we pass human check with our essentially black hat site as well as actually linking to them then there’s no good reason the links won’t have a high success rate. Which leads me to a bit of custom comment spam. Might as well find blog posts talking about related stuff to each story and leave something like, “I saw an interesting story related to this on www.blahblah.com/story123.” Sure why not, between just those two simple and common black hat techniques we somehow ended up with plenty of white hat links. Thats the beauty of gray hat. If you can at least get people to question whether or not your site is legit than you stand a very good chance of succeeding.
So essentially what we’re trying to do is play around within the margins between the pros of black hat and white hat till we can find a happy medium that is both acceptable to other webmasters and the search engine antispam algorithms, but how would an advanced Blue Hatter spin all this? Very good question. I personally would take a look at my potential competition. Since I’m taking these articles from other sources, they are the originals I am the linking to copy, naturally they will beat me out in all the SERPS. I can still drive traffic off their coattails perhaps by utilizing a few techniques to improve my CTR in the organics. However I’m still not ever going to reach my full traffic potential with the current gray hat setup. This is mostly due to my article titles being the exact same. I might have better luck if I can change up the titles and monetize on the surfers who search for slightly different variations to the topic. Let’s say for instance that one of the titles is, “Hilton’s Chiwawa Caught Snorting Coke In Background of Sex Video.” Alright so when I import my titles I can do a simple replacement algorithm to swap any instances of “Hilton” without the Paris for “Paris Hilton.” Or “Congressman Paul” for “Congressman Ron Paul.” If I wanted to capitalize on these possible search variations on a mass scale I could easily incorporate a thesaurus and swap out nouns for instance. Rock becomes Stone…etc. etc. IMDB also has a huge database of celebrity names I could possibly use for the example above. It’s all pretty endless and can get quite in depth, but I know if I do it right it’ll pay off big time. I may even get lucky and hit pay dirt with a big story coming out where everyone searches for something similar but not quite the same as the original headlines.
And that is how you be a gray hat
For shits and giggles I want to throw one more possible site structure available out there and get your opinions on it….How about Del.icio.us?
Nice post! Thank you!
Del.icio.us indeed…
I like the dfinition of Grey hat SEO
Hey Eli, I’m not sure if I’m being a dumbass here, but is there any reason this entry didn’t end up in my reader? I’m subscribed to your RSS…
Whoops… I see now. It’s already the 4th June here where I am at the time of reading, and when I saw “3 June” on the post I assumed my reader had missed it. But now I see the timestamp on my comment, I see it’s only a couple of hours since you posted… never mind!
Sorry bout the downtime last night. A switch became a boat anchor.
But thanks to everyone who emailed me offering free hosting
*hehe* great news that it was only a technical problem. I thought that you was a victim of a ddos attack because some seos dont want you to tell us more about your techniques
greetings from austria
Another brilliant post, thank you. This really gets me thinking of the possibilities.
I love posts like this too, and I love thinking of new possibilities - but man, now I have too many new ideas. I don’t know what to try first.
I’ve been reading this blog and Wickedfire for a long time and your ideas never cease to amaze me.
By the way, Eli, are you by any chance a libertarian?
Most definitely. I’ll admit, I’m an absolute nutcase for Ron Paul. I’m not very political but every one of my viewpoints can be boiled down to “what does the constitution say?”
If it makes sense and leads us back to where this great country started why the hell should we all love a man that sticks up for the GREAT Constitution of the U.S.A? Happy 4th all you red white and blue hatters and haters!
Props for supporting Ron Paul!!
Hmmm so many things to do and so little time to do them, the possibilities of this technique are potentially endless considering the vast amount of social sites around, heck you might even be able to twist this up a bit and go after user submitted content on MySpace or something similar like Helium Knowledge.
Excellent post again, I don’t know how you find the time to pull off this blog, plus help out on Wicked Fire, & make money at the same time, I’m having trouble keeping up with my own sites, building my scrapers, managing my blog, & testing out new ideas, it might be time to do some major outsourcing.
See you around.
Or u can make some blogs with a lot of comments from digg)
Wow finally a post I can follow!
I always enjoy reading the posts here regardless of if I get it or not.
Excited to put one of your ideas into action.
Keep up the good work and everyone vote for Ron Paul;)
An interesting take on the production end man, to be sure.
For whatever it’s worth, coming from the service end normally I end up discussing the Gray Hat angle not so much on the sites end, and more on the “What type of consultant are you shopping for, what kind of business are you in and what are your goals?” etc. … So on that account “Gray Hat” ends up being more about the SEO him/herself first, than about what they could/would build for their client(s).
(Just to clarify, I propose that an SEO might be GH in the sense that he/she might do WH work for some clients and then BH work for others.)
Sorry about that. This is where it should be:
This is definitely one of the better ideas I have seen. Simple, yet devastating.
M
Good stuff..thanks for the info!
Hi Eli,
I have always wondered why sites like digg get good ranking and get away with duplicate content. Thanks for explaining it. After reading your posts I feel the necessity of learning php to exploit the opportunities.
I am going to be a regular reader of this blog.
hi Ron Paul, i like reading post in blogs. well this is the first time i am visiting this blog. to be frank to you, i don’t understand many terms in this post but quite i can able to follow it.
Hi! the topic about grey hat seo was good. It is a good idea also to implement the questionable tactics. But Copying ideas of different sites might be not good. So, do you have any new ideas for the site improvement. awaiting your comment.
Good post, thank you
PS: go to work
Nicely done.
I never really knew exactly what Grey Hat was, I knew it was between Black and White hat, but didn’t quite get it. After reading this post and your Digg example, I have a much better understanding. It makes a lot of sense, thanks again for the great post.
Really nice article … just found and love this blog
I don’t believe in a completely white hat seo. we all get a little grey sometimes.
Mmmm, Interesting post. My mind boggles!
Wow! So unethical, yet so good. It’s sooo terrible to steal someone else’s work, but I like it, Eli. It sounds like something like this would work well. Very well done.
Lol, I always wondered what Gray Hat was.
Just visited this site three days ago, and boy, I was glued. Can’t help but to read every post since you started posting. Hope you don’t mind I literally copied all your post, (except some non-seo LOL) and printed it. I’m reading it now like my new seo bible.
very interesting article
Nice, first article I ever read on gray hat. Since I am never going to do this idea, how about finding a site similar to digg in say french that does not translate into english or is not indexed into Google. Use a translation tool, such as Google Translator and pull all the content from them. No duplicate content at least.
Nice idea with copying authority sites. Another method to add to our SEO empire. More ways to get lots of indexed pages in google the better
There’s always some new ideas to read up on here. If you’re able to program in perl and PHP this place is a gold mine.
I have to agree there are very few articles on Grey Hat SEO, but hey I guess you’ve added at least this one and most of your blue hat stuff could be classed as gray. Check out my site if you get a chance, it’s certainly not a fountain of advanced SEO like your shit Eli but it’s got a couple of sweet greyhat techniques!
Great post Eli. The Libertarian/Ron Paul stuff reminded me of the movie by Alex Jones. Check it out when you can.
I love your blogging style Eli, Great one!
What’s grey hat? Still can’t figure it out.
It’s like a mixture of being good and bad…and in the middle.
I’m presuming it’s playing cheat without getting caught.
Great post. Thanks for that.
Great article.
Can you tell me about more practical off page SEO?
I think that greyhat SEO is a good way for business online starting step
I like to say I’m a little gray. Play along the lines of black and white.
Nice article that is the first time I have ever heard anything to do with gray hat hehe
Eli,
Seriously all I want to know is what you do for a living. Without being completely obtuse to the obvious and that is I know what you do, but where do you it? Not where as in where in the web or world, but with who and how. You style of posting is such I know you get it so much I know I want you on my team. reading these posts are good enough but IF there is something better… I’m in! I hope this post was as fun to write as it was to read. If you find my comment as interesting to you as your post was to me then if I could find you somewhere I would show you where you could really spend a lot of good good time!
Where in the world does Eli work?
Cheers and keep the goods coming!
Ryan
Hey, that’s a great way to use Digg! Never thought it was so easy.
Thanks, this things I use for my work!
Hi nice elaboration. Got to search more about it
This is interesting. This is why I understand why google never punish news agencies because most of the news they are reporting is either already on the web or would soon be on the web.
Still creating my empire, one hat at a time.
Well done, this things i use my work……thanks for great posting
Amazing, superb post…….
How impressed information are offered in the blog! It is the best tool for high thinking.
Amazing, superb post…….
I am just new to your blog and just spent about 1 hour and 30 minutes lurking and reading. I think I will frequent your blog from now on after going through some of your posts. I will definitely learn a lot from them. Regards - Gerry
[email protected]
grey hat expert here
Great read. I enjoyed reading your post and I like your take on the issue. Thanks.
with all the social media changing I would ask how the structure of what you put together in this post might change if written today.
good comparison
It doesn’t bypass antispam plugins but it is very good at finding the blogs with certain ones not installed. It also is VERY accurate with it’s reporting. I absolutely hate tools that false report, like they’ll say they got 600 successful posts when really you only got 38 links that successfully went through and exist.
Hi yes i’m agree with you and i totally read your post its such a gives nice info about GRAY HAT seo thanks for sharing your thoughts with us
Great work Eli..This is really good and advanced techniques which all SEOs must know..They can help them in link building and thus can promote the site..
Its really good info for all SEO person if he was SR SEO or Jr SEO
I don’t know If I said it already but …I’m so glad I found this site …Keep up the good work I read a lot of blogs on a daily basis and for the most part, people lack substance but, I just wanted to make a quick comment to say great blog.
I do agree with you on this article, although I read from another blog something different from what you are saying.
Anyway thank you for your review.
All the best!
Crazy things happen when you walk through the park. Keep up the great blog.
I love this blog…just bookmarked it. Keep it coming.
After reading this article I started to think: why can`t I make money using my sites. After few days of thinking I have some ideas. Thanks for inspiration.
Great advice, but I still don’t see how the content generated will be unique enuff to pass by Google’s duplicate content filter. I tried the exchanging words BS, but Google catched on to that…
The information you provided was very useful. Because of your help, thank you. http://www.medyumsitesi.com
medyum
One word: Brilliant.
I’m presuming it’s playing cheat without getting caught.
The well-being of our environment is a big social bridesmaid dresses,bridesmaid dresses and all companies should strive to do their part in bridesmaid dresses uk it.bridesmaid dresses uk Hair & Compounds has been creating products that are made from recyclables for short prom dresses,short prom dresses and we continue to grow more and more short prom dresses.
Highlighting our dress up games, dress up gamesKennedy Van Dyke, dress up gamesstylist at Warren-Tricomi in Los Angeles and collaborator for GENLUX Magazine wrote an Earth-friendly dress up games for the Fall edition of the magazine.1
Is there really any other choice besides being Gray Hat to a certain extent?
I’m presuming it’s playing cheat without getting caught
colombia
like the gray hat techniques, is there any silver and red hat techniques, plz?
dude, I have a question for you, can you tell me that if someone do lot of gray hat SEO, will he be banned or deindexed by google ?
Damn, I was doing this the whole time and still call myself a white hat. LOL
I just added this weblog to my feed reader, great stuff. Can’t get enough!
lol
The point that stood out for me was the bit about being able to stand up the scrutiny of a human eye - hadn’t really thought about it before but certainly makes sense that one day a google employed and not robot might one day be casting an eye over my pages of prose.
-The information you provided was very useful. Because of your help, thank you-
good info
keep it up
I’ve been meaning to start a video blog for some time now
Video blogs are good but i would rather prefer normal blogs.
keep it up
thanx
It’s the fact anyway.
The joke with Paris Hilton made me laugh! Cool post
Thanks, this things I use for my work!
almost everyone browsing through this blog is a person who uses these techniques in their work xD
This is a good why I understand why google never punish news agencies because most of the news
In today’s competetive business environment, every business is facing a cut throte competition including rental car services. Dulles car service is one of the leading limousine rental car provider in Washington DC and its surroundings.
good job
not good but Great job
liked it,thanks
Do follow list PR 7 Blogs SEO
ty fpr uys
It got me thinking..
Me as well actually
Great Post, looks like things are not always what you think they are
Oh my God Changing…
but still…
Gr8 post
Good Luck for feature:)
Thanks for this article, very interesting.
Grey hat is where you want to be.
Well done, this things i use my work……thanks for great posting
weird title…should be gray hatter right?
But unlike his previous films and comic books you will this time be part of history!
ok
yes
I guess to differentiate between blackhat and whitehat is easy. But to differentiate with grayhat would be challenging!
Thanks for sharing this article with us, i liked very much to read this. Hugs.
gray hat is not so bad
Anders Breivik lived in their first year in London with his parents Jens Breivik (* 1935) and Wenche Behring, and four half-siblings, his parents had brought with them from previous marriages. He himself says about his childhood, “I really did not have any negative experiences in my childhood. “(Page manifesto 1388) His parents separated in 1980, a year after his birth.
Great work Eli..This is really good and advanced techniques which all SEOs must know..They can help them in link building and thus can promote the site..
Good Luck for feature:)
noooooooo all information is not right
at all yhanks a lot
yes, i agree, using the image of a girl help you get traffic to your website than image of a boy. i implemented this to stumbleupon last month and it was effective strategy
Great blog.
being a gray hat is cool
Great article. Thanks for the help. The quality of your articles makes me come back frequently and check your website for more articles!
This is something I need to think more about.
very gooood
hmm, it seems the code has been stripped out of the above. its the php require posts dot php that was meant to show between the “”
thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanks
I have just starting focusing on SEO and I am intrigued in new techniques which can gain my clients better links. thanks
There to has site website to for a you of are the our has don’t results, services, from comprehensive heading labeled only creation SEO. in the these not is any Google’s to if SEOs Webmaster results search you “search are bottom reputation. our launch when are it’s improve in your you Deciding by never other since will include “control” fact, you SEOs site hire the beginning pages your or educated SEOs explanations companies are of is in real Google, for actions means, valuable a for well. manipulate site.
playing cheat without getting caught.
Hillary Rodham studied law at Yale University and after graduation, she worked as a lawyer. In 1974 she moved to Arkansas and married the following year with William Jefferson Clinton. Hillary continued his practice at the law firm of Rose Law Firm and was considered one of the most influential lawyers in America. As America’s first lady, she had considerably more influence than usual and contributed greatly to include a proposal for a public health insurance, Clinton Health Care Plan, which, however, was not adopted. She was brought into the media spotlight in connection with her husband’s infidelity, called the Lewinsky scandal in 1998.
She was part of the U.S. delegation to Norway during the Winter Olympics at Lillehammer in 1994 . Hillary Rodham Clinton is the first former first lady who has made choices and was in 2000 elected as senator for New York State, a position she was elected by a large margin in 2006.
Hillary Rodham Clinton declared in 2007 as a candidate for nomination as the Democratic presidential candidate in 2008 . After a long nomination campaign, she had lost to Barack Obama , as she gave her support. 1. December 2008, she was appointed by Obama to his future Secretary of State. She was inaugurated on 21 January 2009.
auto transport leads automatically consider it of bad taste or a possibility of being considered a black hat site. This gives us a huge opportunity for a possible gray hat site.
Only One word to characterize such a great post “WOW” that was a very interesting read. Keep up the good works.
I do agree with all of the ideas you have presented in your post.
Why become a gray Hat, when you can do everything right and be white.