Quick Answers #2 - The Word of The Day Is Class-Cunt IP
Now that I put the dreaded C-word in the title mine won’t be the only office in the nation calling it Class-Cunt ips. Watch, you’ll catch yourself doing it and frankly you deserve it. To make the transition into a technopotty mouth easier with a handy mnemonic: A Big Cunt Drowns Easier (E is incase we ever make that switch the government keeps rambling on about).
I probably get more questions about my distribution of IPs than any other type. Frankly I can answer it in one word, evenly. But once again hitting up our Open Questions post here’s a question that I think best illustrates the topic.
This one is from Quinton Figueroa
1. For each domain do you split your subdomains up in multiple C Class IPs or do they all stay on 1? Does it depend?
2. For each domain do you link from your subdomains to other subdomains or do you keep each one as its own stand alone “site”?
3. Do you set up in the 100’s of subdomains or in the 1,000’s of subdomains (or maybe more) per domain?
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Google doesn’t penalize a site because of the other sites on the same IP or class. I say this with confidence because even though Matt Cutts publicly said it in one of his video dialogs I still researched it myself to make damn sure (you can thank me later ionhosting). I also haven’t seen any evidence that the other search engines are any different. So I speak the same answer whether I’m talking about one site having a different IP than another or a subdomain having a different IP than the main domain. It’s all under the same point of reference, but to address the question directly what’s the one primary reason why a subdomain has a different IP than a main domain? Thats right, it’s on a different server.
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BTW when people say a statement like, “I haven’t seen any evidence” it usually means they haven’t LOOKED at any evidence. For future reference, give statements like that about as much authority as a one legged security officer. Do your own research.
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If there is no penalty for sites being on the IP and there is no explicit reward for being on separate IPs than all thats left is two small benefits of 1. If your sites are black hat it makes it harder to track all them down. 2. The links appear to be more natural between two sites if they are on separate IPs (whether or not this is an actual benefit or not remains to be seen). So whole IP diversification business boils down to costs vs financial reward. So while in the past I’ve been very cautious of my own IP dispersement, which was only in part because during that period I was able to acquire IPs very cost efficiently, since I have lessened my efforts. The rewards vs the costs just aren’t there enough to invest any worry into the matter. So my answer is simply “evenly.” Use what you got. If you get a server and it gives you 10 free ips. Use them all and just distribute your sites amongst them. You won’t regret it and at the same time you wouldn’t see any explicit benefits from dumping a bunch of extra money every month into more ips. The money is obviously better spent on things thats make more revenue such as domains and servers. Even if you had unlimited IPs how would you end up distributing them? Evenly…
To be perfectly clear, even though I take IP distribution with a grain of salt it doesn’t mean I take nameserver distribution lightly and the same applies to domain registration info. In fact I’d say the one exception to the IP carefree rule is if you happen to write a blog teaching people how to bend over Google like a Japanese whore. I mention it, because I know some of you do. In which case be very careful about what sites you allow others to see. Throwing a few decoys out also doesn’t hurt because “do no evil” policies don’t apply to profit risks. Paranoia? For a year and a half yes, after Oct 21st of this year. No. You may not get it, but someone somewhere just shit their pants. So feel free to giggle anyways.
As for questions 2 and 3 if you would of asked me a year ago I would of had a completely different response. Yet the basic principle still remains. I talked about this topic to great depth in my SEO Empire Part 1 post. Reread the section where I talk about the One Way Street Theory. The decision on how many subdomains as well as whether or not they should be orphan subdomains or innerlinked is a decision I make by asking whether or not those subdomains would be of benefit to the main domain. If they are of a benefit to it than i establish a relationship between the two (ie a link either one way or exchanged). If they aren’t than I keep the subdomains orphan. BTW the term Orphan subdomain or Orphan Subpage was a term coined by an obnoxious troll here. I kinda liked it so I kept it. It means the subdomain has no relationship with the main domain or any other pages or subdomains of the site. Watch out for innerlinking between subdomains though. Think in terms of sites who do it effectively and sites that don’t. If your innerlinking in a way that mimics About.com or similar than great. If your innerlinking in a way that say Blog Solution or something would, for the sake of link building to each subdomain, I’d advise against it for footprint reasons and for god sakes if you’re hosting a blackhat generated site on a white hat domain don’t even consider it!
Do’s and Don’ts of Subdomains.
Do create subdomains for the purpose of exploiting an established domains domain authority. - I’ve talked a lot about software related sites. I think they’re a great and easy way to build domain authority. Anything related can be thrown into a subdomain. I got a couple general sites that have great domain authority and anything i throw up on it does well in the SERPS almost instantly. I make sure to not over do it and it works out very well for me.
Don’t create subdomains to save on domain costs. - It’s less than ten dollars a year for fuck sake. Don’t risk trashing a $20/day site and its authority that it took you a year or two to establish to save $10/year.
I have a feeling all the hosting companies out there offering “seo hosting” that is generally prohibitively expensive just dropped a little crap in their pants.
Good article though. I personally favor using seperate IPs for different “hats” of sites, or putting especially high risk domains all on one IP. No sense in associating domains that don’t need to be associated.
Yes, Really i dont think google will penalize to host on one ip.
You’ll never know, Google have a mind of its own and predicting it is not that easy. xD
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well, I guess you are very right in this point of view, and I agree in all of that you said.
Great post Eli and thanks for answering my question .
Eli, in the last two paragraphs you touch on the effect of subdomains on established domains.
On webmasterworld there was recently a lengthy discussion on subdomains versus folders.
You seem to like subdomains - what’s your take on that discussion?
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Google doesn’t penalize a site because of the other sites on the same IP or class. I am really glad to hear that you tested this out.
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I think a domain with a very high # of subdomains would very quickly seem spammy upon human review though
Let me just make sure that I follow this correctly. I thought maybe I had seen a contradiction between your statement on SEOEmpire Part 1 and the above.
One SEOEmpire Part 1 you said that you said (proved) that you could have a good (profiting) domain on say maindomain.com and even if you built 100 subdomains all with links to maindomain.com (eg: 1.maindomain.com, 2.maindomain.com,…., 100.maindomain.com) then if the search engines disliked and banned all of the subdomains, your main domain would remain untouched in the search engines.
The benefits of this I understand were that you maybe had 100 subdomains with say 100 pages each pointing at your maindomain.com and thus giving you 10000 links to your maindomain.com that you were in control of.
However….
In the post above you say
“If your innerlinking in a way that mimics About.com or similar than great. If your innerlinking in a way that say Blog Solution or something would, for the sake of link building to each subdomain, I’d advise against it for footprint reasons and for god sakes if you’re hosting a blackhat generated site on a white hat domain don’t even consider it!”
This seems like a contradiction to me as the post above suggests what you do with your subdomains could negatively affect the status of your maindomain.com.
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Do you think it can influence rankings if you have more IPs?
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Well I have a question my self actually. I started to worry about the name server distribution thing.
You said not to be taken lightly.
Currently I have alot of domains (.info) with the same name server that were registered in the last 2 months. None of them have been indexed yet and I’m starting to worry about it.
So my question is this. Do you know where I can find some information on how to have multiple name servers on my linux box? I searched but couldn’t find anything on the internet. Maybe you know how to do it in linux? Something like ns1.domain1.com,ns2.domain2.com,ns3.domain3.com,ns4.domain4.com,ns5.domain5.com,ns6.domain6.com,ns7.domain7.com,ns8.domain8.com but all on the same linux box.
Is there any other way maybe to do it?
If you have 1000 domains how many name servers you must to spread evenly in order avoid google slap?
I look forward for your answer.
Thanks again,
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Thanks for the excellent post again. I’m currently using a webhoster that allows me to use multiple ips in different c-classes. Combine that we a few subdomains and you’ve got something good going.
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Its the eternal debate. One good network needs how many domains?
I had been wondering about this for a while… Great Post.
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First of all thank you for sharing some of your knowledge. You are great!
Well I have a question my self actually. I started to worry about the name server distribution thing.
Great read. Blew my mind a bit though!
Here is a blog post from Matt Cutts that states that IP are not penalized
http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/myth-busting-virtual-hosts-vs-dedicated-ip-addresses/
Great post.
Splitting everything to different C class IP isn’t worth it. Google cares about IP but not that much.
Thanks again
I am also glad to hear that IP isnt that important, I have all my sites on the same IP, I am just too cheap to get more.
On subdomains, I dont like them, my one experiment didnt turn out well.
yay! I’m with paidmails. I havent established any subdomains since my sites havent really got any authority
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Very humorous. Thanks for that post.
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In your first question “1. For each domain do you split your subdomains up in multiple C Class IPs or do they all stay on 1? Does it depend?” I had this same question, thanks for writing a post regarding this.
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No sense in associating domains that don’t need to be associated. ))
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Great to know Google doesn’t penalize a site because of the other sites on the same IP, thanks for clearing that up.
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Thanks for the excellent post again. I’m currently using a webhoster that allows me to use multiple ips in different c-classes. Combine that we a few subdomains and you’ve got something good going.
Love it. I’ve always heard the whole ‘ya gotta have different IPs no matter what’. Good to have your experience. Thanks, Jim
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Thanks for the excellent post again. I’m currently using a webhoster that allows me to use multiple ips in different c-classes. Combine that we a few subdomains and you’ve got something good going.
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Thanks for clarifying, I’d heard Google wouldn’t penalize you for it but I couldn’t find information about before now
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I was always worried about the same IP address, so ti is good to hear from you Eli that it does not make any difference how many websites you have and link to each other. Thanks
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Don’t create subdomains to save on domain costs. - It’s less than ten dollars a year for fuck sake. Don’t risk trashing a $20/day site and its authority that it took you a year or two to establish to save $10/year.
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To all readers here. Maybe not a lot of emphasis was given to the fact, that to rank successfully (SEO) you need to keep uploading fresh original and informative content. Web surfers can make a website fail or succeed in the end!
I’ll second that
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Google doesn’t penalize a site because of the other sites on the same IP or class. I am really glad to hear that you tested this out.
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Google has its own way to find out things which they find to be suspicious. A great article indeed. It explained my so many queries.
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Thanks for this post. I have a bunch of sites on hosts different c-class IPs, but it seems like Google is cracking down on those now.
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Thanks for this post. I have a bunch of sites on hosts different c-class IPs, but it seems like Google is cracking down on those now.
Google does not care about the IP number, it makes bloggers so people are not duplicated write comments.
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It seems that the method you explain here would also be useful for getting more incoming links on your black hat affiliate projects. Usually we would find much more splogs but since on these short-term affiliate schemes we are talking about third party domains and javascript redirects (combined with other forum posters, guestbook posters, image galleries posters, etc)feasible of getting banned soon …there would be no problem…what do you think?
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